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#1 02 Oct 2006 19:58

Ethan
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Web 2.0 and Validation

Does it anger anyone else that all these new Web 2.0 sites do not get even close to validation?

Even 37signals' ultra basic homepage does not validate!  MSN even validates!


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#2 03 Oct 2006 9:57

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Re: Web 2.0 and Validation

The really dumb thing is that a lot of their validation errors are just stupid things that #1 should have been done in the first place and #2 could be fixed in just a few minutes.

Lazy.

But hey!  If it works in IE - who cares, right! tongue


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#3 03 Oct 2006 15:10

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Well, I just don't like the fact that no one is paying attention to this fact.  You can have validtating HTML and still have a nice AJAX system.


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#4 03 Oct 2006 17:09

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yes but that involves "effort" lol


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#5 03 Oct 2006 17:20

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Innovation can be done properly!

Then the errors they have are so easy to fix too, which makes me even more angry.  I can understand a few errors, as sometimes they get under the radar.  But things like no alt tag or an improper entity are pretty hard for me to accept from large internet websites that label themselves as "web 2.0".


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#6 03 Oct 2006 18:25

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Re: Web 2.0 and Validation

Flickr: Valid (HTML 4.01)
Lowter: Invalid - 1 Error (XHTML strict)
MSN: Valid (XHTML Strict)
Last.FM: Invalid - 110 errors (XHTML Transitional)
Sitepoint: Valid (XHTML Strict)
Digg: Invalid - 6 errors (XHTML Transitional) (Simple stuff: No self closing img tags and & not &)

I see what you mean Ethan

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#7 03 Oct 2006 19:42

Ethan
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Google - 48 errors (no DOCTYPE)
del.icio.us - 5 errors (XHTML 1.0 Strict)
Squidoo - 12 errors (XHTML 1.0 Transitional)
Revision3 - Valid (XHTML 1.0 Transitional) (Hurray!)
Pandora - 47 errors (no DOCTYPE)
Upcoming.org - 13 errors (XHTML 1.0 Transitional)
Skype - Valid (XHTML 1.0 Transitional)
30boxes - 76 errors (XHTML 1.0 Transitional)

frown


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#8 04 Oct 2006 10:54

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i dont hung up over errors, as long as the site works fine and looks fine to me....probably not the best attitude in the world (bit selfish bigsmile)


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#9 04 Oct 2006 16:51

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its nice if it does but if it doesnt then no matter really. Standards accross browsers are so bad at the minute that it doesn't really matter if its valid or not, it will still be wrong in most browsers.

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#10 04 Oct 2006 17:22

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Re: Web 2.0 and Validation

I do agree that cross-browser compatibility is probably most important, but you can do that with valid code.  SitePoint is a pretty good example of that.  Flickr too, I guess.


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#11 04 Oct 2006 21:55

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Re: Web 2.0 and Validation

The design on that website isn't very interesting, although of course lightyears ahead of certain other practises.


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